welcome to "kasie d.c." i'm kasie hunt. we are live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. tonight, breaking news. major development in the mueller investigation. as it hits its first anniversary, if you're shopping at home that's paper anniversary. plus, school turns deadly again. we'll talk about whether the will to do anything in washington has lost steam again. and i'll have an exclusive interview with former secretary of education arne duncan who says students should boycott their schools until the laws change. and later, my conversation with senator kiersten gillibrand. but first we are following a wave of breaking news. rudy giuliani tells "the new york times" and nbc news robert mueller will seek to conclude his investigation into collusion with russia by september 1st.

so far we have not heard anything from the special counsel ourselves. robert costa from the washington post reports an important asterisk. that deadline might hold true if the president sits for an interview. at the same time, president trump ordering the justice department to investigate an if in fib informant who was used in the early stages of the russia probe. the president tweeting, quote, i here by demand and will do so officially tomorrow that the department of justice look into whether or not the fbi/doj infiltrated or surveilled the trump campaign for political purposes. as for the president using the power of his office to intervene in an ongoing justice department investigation, maybe we shouldn't be too surprised. >> you look at the corruption at the top of the fbi, it's a disgrace. and our justice department, which i try and stay away from, but at some point i won't. >> looks like some point was today.

we are also hearing tonight from the justice department as well to talk about all of this, i'm going to bring in my panel with me on set. senior writer for politico and coauthor of the politico play book jake sherman. chief washington reporter and msnbc contributor kimberly atkins. former special assistant to the president and former spokesman for vice-president mark lauder. nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian. and joining us by phone is "the new york times" reporter michael schmidt who broke that story on the mueller probe time line. michael, you are with us, of course, by phone. i want to start with you. can you walk us through your conversation with rudy giuliani, what you learned about the time line going forward? we know that the trump administration had been saying they think it's time for this to be wrapped up. >> giuliani has had a series of meetings with mueller. in one of them two weeks ago, mueller's team volunteered this. they brought up this, and what

giuliani said that date is an end marker. if the investigation goes beyond that point, if there were findings that come out after that, that is too close to the election. he calls that, quote-unquote, comey territory, referring to what happened during the 2016 election where comey had to make public statements before the votes were taken. and he -- giuliani very concerned about that and about the impact that could have on the president. he's trying to put a marker down about that september 1st date. >> did you get the sense that if, in fact, this, the investigation didn't conclude by the september 1 date, that mueller would simply put the investigation on hold or would he be making a commitment to not release any findings before the election in that intervening time, or is this a pledge that,

no, all of our investigative activities have going to be finished by this day? >> well, it's a great question. who knows what could happen between now and then. other things that mueller may have to look at and what could delay this. but what folks say is regardless of what mueller does, it's a political decision. if he were to release something before the election, it certainly would have a political consequence. if he didn't, it would have a political consequence on the other end. it is such an important thing, such a big decision that no matter what he does, there will be an impact. what will mueller do? will he -- if he feels the president won't sit down, will he feel comfortable subpoenaing

the president in the months before the election or would that be interfering too much with that? i don't know. >> michael, before i let you go, very quickly, i want to get you to weigh in on a story we are about to talk to the rest of the panel about, which is all of the news that broke about the doj and the fbi and the informant. does the department of justice feel right now as though they are under real serious pressure that could leave them in some real trouble? or do they view this as simply the president distracting with tweets? >> well, this seems to be the latest sort of fascinating dance that rod rosenstein has had to do in regards to balancing what the president wants and sort of following the rule of law. and in many of these cases, they have referred things to the inspector general as a way of showing that they're doing something, but not going so far as to open a criminal investigation. and this to me looks like

rosenstein, once again trying to keep the president at bay, trying to keep house republicans that have been breathing down his neck off of him, by saying, look, we are going to do something. at the end of the day, the inspector general's investigation is a serious thing, but it is not nearly as serious as a criminal investigation so it is not the full mounting. >> michael submit, thank you for your time tonight. we'll be following your reporting. deputy attorney general rod rosenstein releasing this statement saying, quote, if anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action. it is worth remembering this tough talk rosenstein had a few weeks ago about some republicans impeachment threats against him. >> i can tell you there were people who have been making threats privately and publicly against me for quite sometime. and i think they should understand by now, the department of justice is not

going to be extorted. we're going to do the rule of law. any threats anybody makes is not going to affect the way we do our job. >> so, ken dilanian, you have been spending probably far too much of your weekend reporting on this story, but we very much appreciate it. i'm hoping that you can kind of cut through what has been i think a very confusing thing for people to try to sort through here. the department of justice clearly coming under incredible pressure now from the sitting president. what do you make of the

statement, the fact that the department of justice and rosenstein himself came out, felt that they had to respond to it, and in what context would you put the degree of significance? >> i think this is a very shrewd move by rod rosenstein because who can argue with is that statement? of course they should take a look and see whether anything was inappropriate about this placement of an informant. it's a huge deal. let's not kid ourselves. the idea that -- first, trump said there was a spy in the campaign. that's not what happened. clearly there was an informant who went to talk to americans who worked for a presidential campaign sent by the fbi, potentially other intelligence agencies. that is a major deal. it is perfectly important for the inspector general to scrutinize that. can you imagine the levels of approval that would have taken, the attorney general of the united states to make that happen? they're critical about the steps they take. the reason is they were deeply concerned about potential russian infiltration over members of the trump campaign. that's what this investigation is about and that's what we'll find at the end of the day a. >> were they looking for or did

they feel they had evidence of criminal wrongdoing on the parts of these people in the campaign? >> we don't know the answer to that but let's remember this began as a counter intelligence investigation, not a criminal investigation. really what they were trying to figure out is were the russians exercising improper influence over any of these people? were these agents agents of a foreign power which has its own definition of law and allows for its own kind of surveillance. one of the techniques they do is they send informants to talk to people and potentially record their conversations and see if they're going to incriminate themselves. >> and have we, to our current public historical knowledge, have we ever seen anything like this before in history sfla >> no, i don't think we have. there is no precedent we know of for this happening, and it speaks to the level of significance of this investigation. but what i also find amazing is the fbi let voters go to the polls in this election without disclosing that they had suspicions that some members of

the trump team were agents of a foreign power. >> the president is frustrated about it rightfully so. from an anger standpoint, i think they're sharing the just the sheer shock of the matter like many of the american people that the fbi used a foreign -- someone who is connected to the intelligence community, both the american and british intelligence communities sent them in to spy on the trump campaign and that is something we have never seen before. and it's at a historic level and something concerning. >> jake sherman, let's talk about how some of this has come about because of mark meadows has, and company, have gone to war with rod rosenstein and have been pressuring the department of justice on a whole host of things. and to our knowledge the speaker, paul ryan, seems to be going along with it. there had been some pull back

when it seemed as though the white house was willing to try and protect sources and methods. but that clearly has blown up now. >> yeah, it's really fascinating you kind of have a trio of republicans, devin nunes, mark meadows and jim jordan who have been beating the drum very loudly on capitol hill. even when it seems like the white house wants to play it cautiously and wants to play it carefully and the president is definitely receiving counsel

that he ought to play it carefully, you have these three guys that have the president's ear, especially meadows and jordan and nunes who is close to the speaker of the house paul ryan who has been his friend almost two decades. so, it helps in the sense that he has this back up. he has this kind of echo chamber that will go on tv, these three guys who will go on tv and say what he wants them to say and kind of i think helps spur them along a little bit. >> kimberly atkins, you've been reporting on this all day. what are you learning from your sources behind the scenes at the white house? >> it's unclear. we don't know what the president means by this tweet. we don't know if he's going to ask for some sort of formal criminal probe or whether this i.g. report that deputy director rosenstein said he would undergo would be enough. we don't know if this is just because it's sunday and he was

home and had a lot of executive time and he was angry about this, or if this could lead to some sort of constitutional crisis tomorrow if he asks deputy attorney general rosenstein to do something that he doesn't want to do, and perhaps it leads to the sort of a new saturday night massacre, monday morning massacre, if you will. so people are waiting to see exactly what this means. there is still a lot of unknowns, but there is a lot of concern that this could be a big deal. >> ken dilanian, the president seemed to have some of his facts not totally right on friday when he was tweeting about this. at least that's what -- i talked to several white house officials over the weekend who essentially said that, wow, okay, parts of the tweets that were not 100% on point, that the president clearly understood the overall implication of this. do we have any indication how the president learned about this? i mean, where do the facts stop and we tip over into -- >> that's a good question. we don't have clarity. we know devin nunes has been trying to get some of this information from the justice department. he's in a fight with them. he wants the name of the informant. the justice department has been resisting that. at the same time you have news reporting going on including by me. i published a story on friday about a professor who fits the profile of the person the times and the post later, hours later named as the informant.

there are people talking around this investigation about various people who met with george papadopoulos and carter page and who those people thought were suspicious encounters. so, it's not clear how donald trump knew, but it's not surprising that this is coming out. plus, we'll talk about stalled efforts to improve school safety and gun safety when former secretary of education arne duncan joins me exclusively. plus the house passed major sexual misconduct legislation. why is the senate dragging its feet in bringing those sweeping changes? helped put a roof over the heads

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"kasie d.c." back right after this. now to a story it seems like we've heard before. donald trump, jr. meeting with a person linked to a foreign government who is interested in helping his father win the presidential election. "the new york times" writing in august of 2016, the president's eldest son attended a meeting that included an emissary with a crown prince of two gulf nations. george nader, former advisor to the uae who is now cooperating with robert mueller, nader reportedly told trump junior that the crown princes were eager to help his father win the election. the times also reports the israeli social media specialist had drawn up a multi-million

dollar proposal for a plan that involved using thousands of fake social media accounts to promote trump's candidacy. on platforms like facebook. the president responded on twitter. surprise, surprise. writing in part, quote, the world's most expensive witch hunt has found nothing on russia and me so they are looking at the rest of the world. here's what the ranking democrat on the senate intelligence committee mark warner had to say about that times report this morning. >> if the times story is true, we now have at least a second and maybe a third nation that was trying to lean into this campaign. and i don't understand what the president doesn't get about the law that says, if you have a foreign nation interfere in an american election, that's illegal. >> all of the people involved in that meeting say nothing came from it. and, ken dilanian, at the defense here has sort of been i don't know if you want to call it the naivete defense, we took these meetings because they wanted a meeting so we said,

okay, fine. at the end of the day, this is potentially illegal and it sounds like some of these people were warned that it was illegal. >> and ignorance of the law is never a defense, right? and there were briefings given to the trump campaign about counter intelligence threats and what -- who you should and shouldn't meet with. but, look, this is a hugely significant development in this story, i think, kasie, because what we have here essentially is two additional very wealthy and powerful countries that appear to have tried to influence the american election. whether crimes were committed or not, and mueller is investigating that. and there is a question as to whether the saudis and the marauders were working with the russians because there are long-standing ties between the nations and their intelligence services. look at what the saudis and emirates have gotten from the trump election. siding with them in the dispute against qatar, the saudi leader puts his enemies in the ritz carl ton. they said little about t. this

is going to come into play. this is a hard story for people to understand, but as it permeates the consciousness we'll realize what a significant development this is. >> mark, how do you explain what ken is talking about here? >> i look at it as it looks like a company that was obviously affiliated with foreign interests pitched an idea to the campaign about influencing social media. >> shouldn't the campaign have called the fbi or at least let somebody know or know not to take meetings like that? i mean, let's set aside the uae for a second. ken's good point. this is still an israeli social media specialist saying i'll build these tools for you to help you win. it seems like on its face that's illegal. >> you get these requests from just about every political consultant. >> would you have taken that meeting? would you have advised the vice-president -- >> i would not have taken that meeting. that's my decision to not do that. >> right. >> you know, i think this is just trying to make connections and -- >> but having worked in politics

for many years, you would have, had you gotten this request, you feel as though you would have felt it was suspicious and something perhaps that would be ill-advised? >> i can't speak to that. i probably would have not taken the meeting. if i did, i probably would have taken their multi-million dollar idea and gone to my american digital company and said, what do you think of this and what can we do with it to make it work through the proper channels? but -- so, i don't make a lot of this. when it comes to the connections -- ken was talking about some of the actions --

there are very real reasons why a lot of these things were done with uae, with saudi arabia, the decisions that were made. they've been very supportive of getting out of the iran deal, which the president was strong on saying that. so i think while we can try to make connections that are broader, i think when you look at the actual policy decisions that have been made, the president has been very clear for why he made the decisions that he's made. it has nothing to do with a meeting in august of 2016 with a couple of business projects in mind. >> ken dilanian, we have to go here. i'm going to let you go for the evening, but very quickly, of all of the news that's broken out the last three days, what do you think is the development we are still going to be talking about that will be the most significant? it shows the lengths to which the fbi was going to investigate this. some people will criticize it, some people will praise it. it's a meaningful development, kasie. >> ken dilanian, appreciate your insights. just ahead, education secretary arne duncan said students should stay home from school until gun laws are changed. he joins me live. that's up next. why did i want a crest 3d white smile?

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then after that we heard more shots and the teacher screamed at us to run. so, everyone started running, taking offer. >> i heard four more shots. >> we were scared for our lives. nobody should go through this. >> those were just a few of the heart breaking recollections of friday's mass shooting at santa fe high school in texas. ten people, eight students and two teachers, were killed when a 17-year-old gunman opened fire. the state department confirmed yesterday that among the victims was sabika, a pakistani exchange

student. here's one of her classmates describing the last time she saw her. >> we ran into the classroom. sabika were with me. other people couldn't make it in the room. we closed the doors. she was coming into the class that we were in so we all ran. i didn't see her. i didn't look back and see her behind me running. all i know, last time i saw her. >> sabika was just 17 years old. jake sherman, we are having this conversation yet again this year. and nothing in the wake of all of the shootings we have sat here and discussed, nothing has happened in the congress. and it seems as though that's likely what's going to happen again. >> yeah, that's right. but i will say i do notice, and you probably notice this, too,

worried that they are losing a generation of voters who are growing up in these -- in this climate where school shootings are regular. that no one that i've spoken to on capitol hill -- there were a few who believe -- there is really no one that believes arming teachers is a solution to this. there's no federal -- there's no way congress will pass anything like that. so, what do you do? and i think that's the question a lot of republicans are grappling with. i had one republican tell me, i think it was on the record, but i'll leave it off the record out of an abundance of caution. if trump took a consistent position on this which is we need to do something and here's what i want to do, it would -- it could get through congress. i think that people are waiting for that and he's gotten close to that line, but then walks it back and goes in another direction. >> the last time he tackled this, he went too far and it

spooked people who support gun rights. i want to show our viewers, to your point, about the sentiment on this issue changing. here was the republican governor of texas talking about the shooting. take a look. >> we need to do more than just pray for the victims and their families. it's time in texas that we take action to step up and make sure this tragedy is never repeated ever again. >> mark lauder, that's language that democrats have been using more often than republicans. but this is the second time we've seen governor rick scott in florida, also republican, do the same thing. >> and then the question is what do you do? saying we need to do something, but you need to identify what it is that you're going to do. because if we're talking about the proposals following the tragedy in parkland, none of those things would have stopped

the tragedy in santa fe because it wasn't a semiautomatic or an assault rifle. it wasn't -- not something a background check would have caught because this is a teenager who it was illegal for him to have a gun. he got them from his father or took them from his father who legally obtained them. it's illegal to saw off a shotgun. it's illegal to take a gun on a school. none of those laws stopped this and so what can we do? is the question. >> i think republicans are struggling with a broader picture here. they are struggling with the

influence of the nra and the growing sentiment among young people that the gun culture in our country needs to change. and while for a long time the nra support has sustained them in a very appreciable way, they are understanding there is a ground swell of change and they're trying to sort of -- seems, trying to moderator move their message a little bit. i don't think that the changes are going to happen in congress or even in the state houses. it's going to happen with the culture of the country and if the republicans find themselves on the wrong side of that, they'll have big problems for a long time. >> to talk more about this, i want to bring in former education secretary under

president obama, arne duncan. secretary dunk an also served as the ceo of chicago public schools. now he's managing partner at the emerson collective. mr. secretary, it's nice to see you tonight. thank you for your time. >> good evening. thanks so much for having me. >> let's start where we left this conversation off. you are pushing for -- and you can explain this as well -- students to essentially say, i'm not going to back to school unless i feel safe.

do you think it's at the point where the ground swell might be enough politically because it's affecting such a wide array of students of children in america that there could be significant changes on something that's been so calcified here in washington? >> well, i think we have to create a tension that hasn't existed yet. only that kind of creative tension can push people to confront an issue they've been able to run away from, hide from so long. there is a fork in the road as a

nation. either this body count, this loss of life, the killing of innocent children is acceptable or it's not. if we decide it's unacceptable, then we have to do some things we have never done before because everything done to this point has been a failure, has been ineffective. it's time to think much more radically. time to do things differently if we want to breakthrough and make not just our children, but every citizen of america much safer than they are today. >> so, what should be done? i mean, one of our panelists has raised the point, every time something like this happens, legislation is proposed that is often targeted to change a database or ban a bump stock. but at the end of the day, those measures in the most recent extreme we have dealt with would not have stopped in this particular situation. if even those small changes can't get through, i mean, how is it possible that something more sweeping could be done? >> well, again, we have to be much more radical than we ever have so we can't just keep doing the same things. so, teachers have walked out and had strikes to raise pay which is absolutely the right thing to do. our young people led by florida have walked out. it's time for us as parents, it's time for us to step out. something has to happen. and you think about, again, it's a radical idea, it's controversial. it is intentionally provocative. you think about as we go back to school after labor day with the november election right behind that, what if the young people were to say, we're not going back to school, what if young people and their parents would work together to try to get major legislation passed. if it works, fantastic. if it doesn't, hold those elected officials accountable. we have to do something so

different than we have other ever done if we expect different results. >> what would you propose the legislation should include that could stop these things? >> it's very simple. again, it's not going to stop every shooting. your point is well taken. there are some basic things that are wildly supported across the political spectrum today. criminal background checks, banning weapons of war, assault weapons, putting money into the impact of gun violence -- research behind that. frustrated people say we should harden schools. here's my question, here's my retort to that. the level of violence, the left of heart break, the level of tragedy is directly proportional to the universal access to guns to anyone who wants them. >> are there school safety measures you would support or urge democrats to support? for instance proposals about fewer entrances, other basic things that have been applied to our airports and other places? >> yeah, that's all taken around the margins. let me be clear. more than 99.7% of people killed by guns last year were not in schools. so, we can talk about school safety, but we have to talk about movie theaters. we have to talk about concerts. we have to talk about malls. we have to talk about people who are worshipping in church. we have to talk about congressmen who are playing baseball on a baseball field. so, all of that, again, is just minor. it's tinkering.

it's almost a smoke screen. we have to look at the real issue. march, going to start to fan out across the country. do voter registration. do town halls. we have to do something radically different as a country. >> and we are, of course, already seeing heightened voter registration numbers among young people. >> just ahead, states of play pits two staceys against each other in georgia. going to take you inside the jaw-dropping race for governor when we come back.

do you buy the idea that there is such thing as electability, that that should be part of a primary argument? >> well, sure. we all want to win. the question is what constitutes electability? establishment democrats don't generate excitement. we have seen progressive candidates seeing voter turnout go up because the people in their communities know that it's time to stand up and fight. >> welcome back to "kasie d.c." we are watching in real-time as the democratic party figures out what it wants to be. in omaha, candidate backed by the dccc lost his primary to a more progressive candidate.

she is running on medicare for all. in georgia, intense primaries for governor will reach critical mass on tuesday. the democrats there are both named stacy and even showed up to a recent debate wearing basically the same shade of blue. i have to say i sympathize that is totally happened to me before. this race has exposed, however, a divide within the party. joining me now from atlanta is political reporter for the atlanta journal constitution greg. greg actually finished moderating both party's debates today. greg, let's start by talking about the democratic race. it's gotten very intense. for viewers who haven't been following this day to day minute to minute the way you have, what do these two women each represent and where are they divided? >> well, they represent a test of competing strategies in georgia. stacy evans is more of a

conventional democratic strategy in georgia. she's going after moderate suburban independent voters who used to be democrats, who steadily fled to the republican party. she thinks by leveraging trump and appealing about the hope scholarship which is a popular lottery funded scholarship in georgia she can start winning them over. stacy abrams says that is a recipe for disaster. the last four democratic candidates for governor tried the same approach and failed. she is hoping to energize a new generation of left-leaning voters many of them minorities who rarely cast ballots in these elections by trying to appeal to them on a left leaning platform and someone who would be the first female black governor in the u.s. history. >> greg, i want to show our

viewers a little part of that debase that you moderated. here's one of the questions from today. >> your opponent argued your strategy in this campaign is all wrong, that you are not working to convert the right voters, and then there is that whisper campaign that suggests that statewide georgia will not elect a single african-american female as governor. how do you respond to those attacks? >> i don't think my skin color, my marital status or my background other than the background of being someone who has worked hard to serve georgia for the last 11 years should be the deciding factor. the bottom line is this. i am the most qualified candidate, democrat or republican, running for this office. >> so, some dog whistling there

about her marital status and, you know, this potential question that the democratic party is grappling with broadly we heard bernie sanders talking about at the beginning of our segment which is to say if they nominate somebody who is farther to the left, can a, basically red, maybe turning purple state like georgia elect somebody like that statewide? what's your take? >> that's the big question because on the republican side there is a five-man field and they are being drawn even further right than what we're seeing in georgia. there is always a race to the right in georgia politics in the republican primary. this is a very far race to the right. there is a question of who can appeal to those candidates in

the center. who can sort of answer that goldilocks problem come november. and it's happening on both sides because the democratic candidates are also being drawn to the left. again, we have had generation, at least a generation of centrist sounding democratic candidates who run as nra democrats, pro gun. let's talk about the republicans. i'm glad you brought it up because in the closing days of this race, a number of republican candidates have been focusing on illegal immigration. >> i'm brian kemp. i'm so conservative i blow up government spending. i own guns that no one's taking away. my chainsaw is ready to rip up some regulation. i got a big truck just in case i need to round up criminal illegals and take them home myself. yep, i just said that. >> brian kemp just said that. offering a truck to deal with illegal immigration. candidate michael williams, not to be outdone, upped the ante with a bus. a deportation bus, seen here experiencing engine trouble on the side of the highway. and here is michael williams in an interview with reporter doug richards from nbc's atlanta

affiliate 11 alive. please note, his press flag off to the side. >> you're not breaking the law? >> what's there to be scared of? are you scared of it? >> so, if i saw this bus coming through and i was an immigrant, would you see that as being provocative? >> no, absolutely not. this country was based upon immigration. we wouldn't have america if it wasn't for lawful legal immigration. so, the issue isn't immigrants or legal immigration. it's those coming to our country with complete disreexpect for our laws coming here illegally. >> what about color? >> i don't care [ bleep ]. >> is it color? >> i did say color. >> i don't care what color you are. >> clearly. i'm going to have to bleep you out. no, no, the back of the bus says mexico, right?

>> okay, carry on. >> doesn't the back of the bus say mexico? >> is this interview going to bleep your own bias, i have to feel that's where we're going. is that the case? >> i'm asking reasonable questions of your candidate. >> chop it all up. reasonable is not asking about color. >> yes, it is. it is reasonable to ask about color when -- >> how? >> because the back of the bus says mexico on it so you're talking about particular types of immigrants. >> the majority of our illegal immigrants -- >> seth, i don't know why you and i argue. >> doug richards, our political reporter. we should know that gentleman, michael williams, is very far back in the polls. mark lauder, i would like to ask you is this -- clearly these

candidates are chasing president trump and his rhetoric on immigration. but is this a healthy future >> that seems like a pretty pushing to the extreme. deportation bus. >> what i would tell you, the leading candidates from what i understand are focusing on an economic message. while they are showing their support for the president, georgia is a very economically diverse state. it's successful. there is a message to keep that going especially with the national economy right now. obviously you've got candidates from the outside who are trying to get themselves a bump to the polls here at the last minute. not sure on either side it's going to work. >> greg lucine, do you have a prediction for how your election is going to play out? >> brian kemp, you saw his first commercial, he put that million dollars behind that commercial and another provocative commercial. the poll got him into second place. so, i don't think we've heard the last of brian kemp. >> greg, i'm looking forward to your reporting the next week.

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counseling, a month of cooling off. it's outrageous you shouldn't have to wait three months to report. the second thing that needed to be fixed is taxpayers are paying for these settlements. if you have a member of congress found to be responsible, the taxpayer pays that settlement, that's not right. >> what's the sticking point? >> i'm not sure. i'm working with a bipartisan group of senators right now who are trying to negotiate a final resolution to get a bill on the vote and vote for it as early as next week. >> there might be people out there that look at this and says

if someone is elected to congress and sexually harasses someone, they should have to pay the money out of their own pockets, not the taxpayers. >> exactly. that's what the bill does. it would be the only thing appropriate in these circumstances. you need to hold the members of congress if they're harassing people in their office. >> this has come to the forefront this year, most recently the attorney general in your state stepping down. you also called for senator al franken to step down, you took significant backlash for that. do you have any regrets? >> no. sometimes these cases come with people you have trusted and maybe loved, but you have to be able to have clarity on this, even when it's hard. especially when it's hard. that's why we need transparency accountability with regard to our attorney general he did do the right thing stepping down. but those allegations of violence were horrific. so we need a full and complete investigation. >> one question this has raised for a lot of at least democratic women i've talked to who work in and around campaigns is

sometimes they feel their politicians run and their sometimes their male politicians have, in schneiderman's case, he backed the me too movement. said this is something i want to fight against. and you find out that conduct is still being caried out. do you think the democratic as a whole needs to do soul searching. >> the question comes down to do we value women? if we don't, we won't take these cases seriously. we have to hold people accountable and i've been looking on chaning the rolls in all institutions. if you can't hold the favored, the powerful accountable, then you're not going to be able to stick up for that woman who may never be in a place she can call out her perpetrator. the me too movement is really just the beginning. we have to fix the problems we have where it's built to protect perpetrators, congress is that. >> what do you say to people who look at this and say she's running for president in 2020. >> this is something i've worked on each in institution that prey on women and don't value them. i've been working on it in all of these contexts on a bipartisan basis for many years. >> hillary clinton, obviously, failed to crack the glass ceiling first in 2008 and then in 2016, do you think a woman could get elected in 2020? >> without a doubt. i think what hillary clinton accomplished inspired women worldwide to say i can run for

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